Salamalaykum everybody who has energy to read a very long post:

Be prepared for any murder and intrigue you could want, but in my Aussie Mussie way, not exactly the stuff of mystery and crime fiction. There are repudiations of real worth within this, and also a detailing of the interior of my own healthy internal mental Jihad, in response to internet situations. More refutation, and a set of questions, somehow vaguely a bit relatable to Peace in the Middle East. Why this essay is in this weblog, is because the first essay in the same weblog, defines through my own story, how I have in fact already won myself within my own internal Jihad. A win gained before I could even approach converting to Islam in the social conditions of my life; and a win unable to be removed once made. In Islam we understand that all anybody really has to lose is the self, thus the winning of our self is the only known goal, until that win is made. This post is just one small part of the many various things my time is engaged with that sustain me, myself, permanently in Islam, as a process. It is here because perhaps my process might help you to win yourself also, and perhaps even within the similar pattern as this weblog defines at its start. We don't all become Muslims necessarily if we win ourself, but this is the way I show.

But to begin with, I want to show a personal message I have been sent from the WhyIslam site crew. This must be a complaints section in the front part of this post, but not aiming to be complaining to any body in particular. The personal message arrived shortly after I have sent a personal message to another site user who sent me a personal message asking if I could explain why many of the old threads in the Why Islam forum are locked up. All I could tell was that I have repeatedly had great difficulty in that the threads I have started myself seem to just disappear of their boards very soon after beginning the thread, and that often also I had been experiencing the most soundly Muslim of my posts being deleted, while the posts I make which could be repudiated easily are being left open and available. Additionally, there was one instance in which I had been making a post for a man who expressed that he would rather be an Apopate in Islam than to be taught to refute Isa; explaining to him the discrepancy between Qur’an’s condemnation of those whom abuse the teaching of Trinity, and what is being labelled as appropriate use of that condemnation in many, rosicrucian-sponsored-false-christian-church-sponsored-Muslim, contexts. The posts I was making were deleted repeatedly without any reason being given me, as though I had never caused the post. But then I put the same reasoning into a personal message for the fellow, but the personal messages were blocked and prevented also. There have been two other very strange interactions between myself and the Church of Later Day Saints folk who frequent the Why Islam site, in which they openly acknowledge myself as having Arc of Convenant.

Here then is the recent personal message I am being sent, which I will thereafter fully repudiate the expressed intention of as sent me, so as to clarify why my self has been as it is, so very entirely associated with Djinn. I intend of course to identify why Qur’an has supported myself; and will use a practise of transliteration through comparison of at least three distinct translations:


-- Previous Private Message --
Sent by : swordoftruth
Sent : 27 July 2007 at 7:51am

salam sister anonymouslegals :
you mentioned this in ur reply about the (one GOD):
I think that the god-heads of other religions are either Saints or Angels, and so in Islam we can worship the same figures, but within recognition of the real definition of their being.

That is, they are Djinn when unseen and potentially in the wrong, but can reconcile and be redeemed and become an Angel, or Saint again.
this contains 2 important misconceptions ,against what islam(QURAN)says:
1)the1st phrase:Allah is the only ONE Who has theRIGHTto be Worshipped,no creature has such Right(actually this is the meaning of LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH),ILAHA=SOMEONE TO BE WORSHIPPED,definition of worship=to direct your intentions ,prayers&DEEDS to please Him ONLY,i mean,your prayers should be only for Him,your fasting,haj,charity are all for His sake,you sl*ghter sheep & cows under His name,You never LOVE,TRUST,FEAR norTHANK anyone more than HIM

2)ACCORDING TO ISLAM , ANGELS & JINN ARE COMPLETELY DISTINCT SPECIES,not like what christians believe(that satans are fallen angels!!) ;ANGELS according to islam ARE MADE OF LIGHT(PROPHET MOHAMMAD TAUGHT US SO,Gabriel,Michael,Israfeel,Angel of Death.,Malek"Guardian of Hell-fire...etc are all angels),THEY NVER DO WRONG or EVIL,THEY DNT EAT NOR DRINK,BUT THEY DIE same as any other creatures,WHILE JINN ARE MADE OF FIRE(AS QURAN SAYS),they eat,drink,get married,have siblings,& die,JINN ARE 2 TYPES:GOOD & BAD(SATANS ARE TYPE OF THEM),BY THE WAY,SATAN IS A CHARACTER,ANY ONE WHO TEACHES EVIL TO OTHERS&SPREADS IT ,IS CALLED SATAN,WHETHER HE'S HUMAN OR JINNI,IF SOMEONE DOES EVIL,BUT NOT SPREADING IT TO OTHERS,HE'S NOT CALLED SATAN,(WHILE HE'S STILL EVIL & bad)OK?
the exam of this life is Held by God to test the 2 creatures(HUMANS& JINN) who have INSTINCTS & CHOOSING WELL DEVELOPED MINDs,which can choose whether to do right & wrong(OBEY or DISOBEY GOD's GUIDELINES)
READ SURA 15:26-31
26. And indeed, We created man from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud.

27. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.

28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud.

29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him."

30. So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together.

31. Except Iblîs (Satan) - he refused to be among the prostrators.

NOW READ SURA 18:46:
50. And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves unto Adam." So they prostrated themselves except Iblîs (Satan). He was one of the jinn; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblîs) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zâlimûn (polytheists, and wrong-doers).

read sura 7:11-22
11. And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being); then We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves to Adam", and they prostrated themselves, except Iblîs (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrated themselves.
12. (Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate yourself, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."

13. (Allâh) said: "(O Iblîs) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."

14. (Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."

15. (Allâh) said: "You are of those respited."

16. (Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.

17. "Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."

18. (Allâh) said (to Iblîs): "Get out from this (Paradise), disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."

19. "And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in Paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you both will be of the Zâlimûn (unjust and wrong-doers)."

20. Then Shaitân (Satan) whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save that you should become angels or become of the immortals."

21. And he [Shaitân (Satan)] swore by Allâh to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well-wishers for you both."

22. So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to cover themselves with the leaves of Paradise (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Shaitân (Satan) is an open enemy unto you?"

you can readthe whole Quran translation from this TRUSTABLE site:
http://www.qurancomplex.org/default.asp?l=eng


My first response it deserves is to not mind with communicate my own understanding of Qur’an: and rather point to the obvious:

Where Allah is the only in a RIGHT to receive our worship: there have always been and will remain ever those Holy men such as Mohammed, and also many Angels with us, whom might receive of the loving worship of other Human beings, or even in fact the shaytan; but whom have no righteous claim upon any of. But rather the nobility of receiving such is totally dependant upon the capacity in real leadership in Allah, to be forgiven. To to be worshipped a person need only be enabled to be identified as forgivable without loss to the forgiver.

Furthermore; the definition of worship sent me in the above PM, had been subject to the shirk:
“definition of worship=to direct your intentions ,prayers&DEEDS to please Him ONLY,i mean,your prayers should be only for Him,your fasting,haj,charity are all for His sake,you sl*ghter sheep & cows under His name,You never LOVE,TRUST,FEAR norTHANK anyone more than HIM”

These words are expressing in truth that we must always place Allah above every other worship. Yet can a mother not intend her deeds will care for her child. Not every mother is yet capable as we will all be in Jannah, of keeping her mind in Allah in every moment; yet her mind can well be in consideration of her deeds in servitude of her children in many more moments that she is in prayer.

Prayer must be directed to Allah. Yet how very many of us rely upon another through whom our prayers are transmitted. If not we could have no need for the Imam. Needing to work with an Imam is not denying that Allah is the only one with a Right to be worshipped.

Then also in my immediate response is the fact that I know a smokeless fire has light in it. But that the shaytan are not so alight, and Iblis is himself in Allah now, as He was never when himself confused by the shaytan. He is thus the evidence that a being of smokeless fire is also in light.

But here then I am thinking again, perhaps that PM deserves not even this much of a response. But I will send the following:

Smokeless fire is a source of light in Allah, so long as it is truly smokeless, and in being smokeless is the fact of receiving love in Allah in the fire defined.

And if worship is in fact only able to be received by Allah, and to be righteously denied of every other being, even Mohammed: then no Muslim could possibly need to work alongside an Imam.

I wholly am working towards being able to place this message in a place where I can also place any further reply I could receive at the whyislam site. Here is a beginning of a thread I will use tonight aligned with writing this:

From a registration at WhyIslam named Deep Thought, and with unstated religion who has made 1711 posts:
Recently I have opened up my search for inner peace due to not finding it in organized religion(Christianity and Islam) and also heading to Baghdad in a couple of weeks(which seems to be getting worse)..I find myself with an urge to again resume my "quest" for inner peace and to know God(you know, making peace before I am possibly killed by the "freedom fighters")... I was browsing around and ran across a man named Sankara Saranam.... He has written a book called "God Without Religion"... This is a quote from one of his interviews.."I wanted to help people by demonstrating how the ideas of God introduced by organized religions have propagated divisiveness through split-level thinking like "us and them," "believer and infidel," and "saved and damned," leading to prejudice, violence, and ultimately, war. I wrote God Without Religion to introduce the idea of a universal God-a concept approached by past philosophers and mystics, but never explored comprehensively from the inside out."
Organized religion has made God seem like a very confused and indecisice diety... The Big three seem to think they have it 100% correct... Its IMPOSSIBLE for all three of them oto be right.. The contradictions are too many... So, my question is to the practitioners of these religions... What do u think about God without religion???

I dont believe in trinity... I dont believe in sharia.. I dont believe in Jesus dying for me... But, I do believe in God... I pray to him in my own way... I believe in heaven and hell... I try to live the best life I can because I God has given me the mind to know whats right and whats wrong...

You see.. Their is no religion that holds these beliefs... Why cant believing in God and living a good life be enough? Has God put a stamp of apporval on ANY RELIGION?? The one universal truth between the three religions is that there is only ONE GOD... No one needs "religion" Just my opinion.. What do u guys think?


(mind here that whyislam owns the copyright on those specific words, and though I could alter slightly to disturb that legislative context, I will not.)

The following are the first two replies.

This one from another new user named snowbunny, whose religion is identified as Christian and Catholic, and names their location as Vatican City:

hola deep thought,

i think maybe you should look more into agnosticism... that sounds like what you are describing.

que Dios te bendiga

Now a post from Kadaveri who has made 2981 posts and has a forum rating of 113:

You believe in the Messengers right, so why do you think God sent them?

Now from scoobygirl who has made 3152 posts, is a known Muslim, and whose forum rating is 0 (I usually like her posts):

DT,

If you think that's best then be an agnostic like SB said. However, if you're having all this doubt because of the politics of Muslims (not Islam) then I think you need to look deeper and realize that any religion is deeper than that. Even shari'ah isn't clear cut (although many Muslims try to make it that way). What do you mean when you say you don't believe in shari'ah? Besides shari'ah you seem to believe in Islam. I'm having hard time comprehending what your issues are besides the fact that you're in the US army and some Muslims take issue with that (again, I really do not think that is a reason is to leave Islam or any other religion).

I guess I just get tired of people saying that religion is divisive, the we religious people only see the world in "us vs. them terms", etc. There are people who aren't religious who see the world the same way, who are divisive. It's the people not the ideologies that make the world a cruel place.






Edited by ScoobyGurl - 20 July 2007 at 10:59am




Now deep thought arrives back:

Snow Bunny...
No, being a agnostic wouldn't work for me... To be agnostic means to be skeptical. I KNOW God exist..

Kadaveri..

I do believe in the messengers... I think God sent them because mankind was screwing up... Not to establish a "religion" on his behalf.... This is what I doubt... God without a "religion" seems to be more universal.. Religion ties him to certain beliefs that I believe onbly come from men...

Scooby Girl..

Of course there are other people who are divisive... But teh facts are that religion does seperate people... Why are muslims around the world calling non-muslims "disbelievers"... "Infidels".. Not trying to bash Muslims because Christians and Jews do the same... Why do Christians have missionaries? To preach to the "lost" souls.. Because they believe that thier religion is "the key".. Religion makes it not enough to just believe in GOD.. You must be Christian or a Muslim and accept the other beliefs that come along with it which may be entirely FALSE... I say do good to others as u woudl want them to do to you.. KNow that God is one and worship him as if everyday is your last day.. You dont need to belong to any religion to do that... Thats all I'm saying...


The message being sent in both posts by deep thought is a message which I have just this day published a book about; but which has had a preliminary portion of it put into the writers corner thread at Islam Global Message, in the thread titled: “This is going to be self published for Aussie Socialists:”

The publication is available for anybody who might want to buy it, or read it in the Australian National Library in Canberra, where my copyright is being protected. There is an unedited version of the whole now published through lulu and available for $25- as an e-book, ($20 to my Shari'ah adherant propriety limited company and $5 to lulu), or in hardback for $25.42 which all goes to lulu for the cost of printing it one at a time. But maybe I should make that twice as much? I am very accustomed to being in a very low monetary income bracket, though not so myself in love in Allah, in which I like to make my work readily available for who is in need of. I hope to make a properly edited version in time, since my sentences are often too long for ease of reading without manifesting in a myriad of possible meanings, and another site that this part of the writing is posted in, has pointed out that they can not believe it is not just "nearly pure kafr". Prehaps it is a site with links to Muslim work with the British police, because the Australian plain clothes police who watch out for me regularly, were relying upon the analysis of that site about my writing: but only until the recent bombings in Britian and related false arrest here in Australia. (which is now causing pressure upon the police to not be so obviously complicit with sodomy in the Australian prisons Mashallah!) Inshallah the real fully edited edition will eventually be safe to publish here in Australia also.

Interestingly the posts which have been made by deep thought, are showing a lesson learned which is placed as a preface to my book. Because it was the preface, lulu.com software I accessed, had it available as the “free” preview to read before purchasing the whole thing. I have this day changed the preview in an experiment, and have also re-published so perhaps my dates are now later than that at whyislam, but the fact of the matter is that the real reason for the analysis is not being provided at whyislam, whereas I had given a real life example, studied in science of psych-ology; about why a Man might need no Religious context. However there is no threat to my own copyright (and the obligation that such right holds in Allah), because I have placed the preface document into other internet contexts also. Heed that I can learn if my content is being verified. Also that I bear no right to the idea, and if another person wrote upon it before me, their work is right also; and in fact proves that I am not being causal to the concept in my written work about that same idea of belief without Religion. The question however in the modern context, is about the social conditions which demand such a framework of belief, and that is never mentioned in the whyislam thread as far as I have read. I do not know what is written about in the book mentioned which is named God without Religion.

Gradually through the thread, the Deep Thought posts begin to ring alike to an argument against Ahadith. So if their had been a real purpose in utilising similar to my own work, they mistook its central tenet. That is we must believe in our self as method to enable us to believe in Allah, rather than use our belief in Allah to cause our belief in our self. My example, in my own study of humanity, is a very extreme one of what can go wrong if not. When an argument becomes hemmed into a process of seeking faults in the argument, then it deteriorates and becomes more susceptible to the adaptions of ill minded consequence.

The thread’s continuance I will place here to the eighth post now having read through that far:

Snow bunny posts quotes from earlier posts and then from “Hola”:

Originally posted by deep thought
Snow Bunny...
No, being a agnostic wouldn't work for me... To be agnostic means to be skeptical. I KNOW God exist..

Kadaveri..

I do believe in the messengers... I think God sent them because mankind was screwing up... Not to establish a "religion" on his behalf.... This is what I doubt... God without a "religion" seems to be more universal.. Religion ties him to certain beliefs that I believe onbly come from men...

Scooby Girl..

Of course there are other people who are divisive... But teh facts are that religion does seperate people... Why are muslims around the world calling non-muslims "disbelievers"... "Infidels".. Not trying to bash Muslims because Christians and Jews do the same... Why do Christians have missionaries? To preach to the "lost" souls.. Because they believe that thier religion is "the key".. Religion makes it not enough to just believe in GOD.. You must be Christian or a Muslim and accept the other beliefs that come along with it which may be entirely FALSE... I say do good to others as u woudl want them to do to you.. KNow that God is one and worship him as if everyday is your last day.. You dont need to belong to any religion to do that... Thats all I'm saying...

hola deep thought

perhaps i am mistaken but the agnostics i know all believe in God... they do not seem like skeptical people. it is their belief that there is a God, but that they are uncertain about 'religions' and 'prophet's' 'laws' and 'revelations' they navigate by their hearts and are open to the possibility that someday religion or revelations might make sense to them.

i think they are very honest...

que Dios te bendiga


And then this post which I have formed an intention to make a reply to in reading it:

1- People came to know God through religions .. without religions most people would continue to have wrong faith in God. Moreover his existence would be nothing but a probability not absolute truth.

2- God is Just and he won't send people to hell/paradise without sending them a clear message telling them what they are required to do.
People who obey get rewarded, people who disobey are punished. .. God is also Merciful, he didn't let them in confusion. he sent guidance to mankind to follow.

3- Finally, rejection of God's message in no better than rejecting God himself. Don't listing to this man he is talking in behalf of Satan.


It is from Islamway in Egypt, a Sunni Muslim, with 2388 posts made to date, and a forum rating of 0.

Then the eighth post is from a person with the username ‘oneGod’, of unknown Religion, and who has made as many as 1193 posts, but is also given no forum rating.


My first post I now make without validating my own fear, by reading the whole thread, already six pages long. Many whyislam threads are very very long, with brief posts, that are more likely to read in a dialogue than in many forums. This is my post:

Salamalaykum who is reading this

I want to make a point here:

[QUOTE=Islamway]
1- People came to know God through religions .. without religions most people would continue to have wrong faith in God. Moreover his existence would be nothing but a probability not absolute truth.

2- God is Just and he won't send people to hell/paradise without sending them a clear message telling them what they are required to do.
People who obey get rewarded, people who disobey are punished. .. God is also Merciful, he didn't let them in confusion. he sent guidance to mankind to follow.

3- Finally, rejection of God's message in no better than rejecting God himself. Don't listing to this man he is talking in behalf of Satan.
[/QUOTE]

1- maybe a few "people" have come to know of God through religions, and I am certain that at least Adam knew God before Religion could have existed. Also we must take care not to just blame any old "people" for whatever we are not in knowledge of, so it is decently minded in Islam to be more cautious about whom you might be referring to, whether you dislike folk for their failure in Allah or just being generally bad gossips, best not to assume that we might all continue without knowing God if we have no Religion. Other wise you dismiss the world of all Indigenous Religions previous to Judaism.

2- The Judaic mode of belief in Allah, is of a dualist form of Universe in which we are always other from God, and He from us, as our perfect controller, in which he has most correctly exactly "let them in confusion".

3- It is real that if we believe in God then we are lead to the messengers He provides and so any person whom is denying a Prophet, when there is real living worth in following that Prophet, is clearly not in true belief in One God. In the case of deep thought, I might expect to learn that His attraction to this internet site is because in God's love he is truly attracted to the work in which he can learn of Mohammed. So he is not of shaytan only from writing that he wants for ratification of belief in one God outside of Religion.

Alaykumuassalam


First I notice that the site is not enabling the post, in an unusual system error of the sort which is a hallmark of sihr in use. Then I am reminded that I have a new personal message. So now I must answer that before making my post, as I know from experience such will be the most expedient method to be enabled again about the system error. This sort of correlation is not insanity by of the nature of sihr which flies too fast to count through every internet context, but we always in prayer with Allah will learn to sustain subhanallah that there is no wrongful sihr in use caused by our own work, and that rather the real world created by the righteous Sihr caused through Arc of Covenant which is as Allah let, is what we are in mind letting our own selves be the subject of.

The personal message is from swordoftruth and reads:

salam sister
sorry,i ddnt get ur point!
what do u mean by this phrase: then no Muslim could possibly need to work alongside an Imam.?
are you muslim?if yes ,are you born muslim?do you belong to some muslim sector?
“My answer is:

If you could not comprehend me in the first instance then you will not, and so I will not in Allah answer again.”

But before I send it I will check for further data about swordoftruth. I find it is a very recent registration stated to be located in Morocco, and my only immediate association with Morocco is that I have recently let a different individual who was of shaytan imagine that I had been duped by it in connection with a Morocco story. Then another association. An acquaintance once smoked too much in Morocco and getting on the boat back to Europe, found himself unable to disembark until in South America. Which is a story with an unusual correlation with my immediate situation here.

Now I try the response to ‘God without Religion’ again. This time whilst bearing in mind that perhaps there is a false argument been connected with what I am stable with in belief of my self in Allah: in which it might seem to many kaffur that there is no hell and Jannah exists already with them in it. I know of such ideology being current; which is explicable in the mind that men have met with the Angel of Death in a certain conviction of finding their way to Jannah, to be confronted with their own fear in which Jehannem is yet to be traversed, and so they find their mind in the grave in a kafr causal to such kaffur as who believe they are already in Jannah.

What happened is that a shaytan in my own world, did enact shirk in kafr against my mind in the attempt to make the post with those words. Then I receive this:

Server Error in Forum Application
An error has occured while writing to the database.
Please contact the forum administrator.

Support Error Code:- err_SQLServer_save_new_post_data
File Name:- new_post.asp

Error details:-
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server
Could not allocate space for 'tblThread' in database 'whyislamcom' because the data space limit has been exceeded. Contact Sales to purchase more space or remove unneeded records from tables. Indexes from these tables must be dropped and recreated to free space!


So now I intend to change the words in which there was an effect of wrong in sihr placed. So the start now will read:

“I will be making a few strong points regarding this post from early in the thread.”

And it becomes that the wrong in sihr used against me was attempting to accuse me of not having written these words in the first place.

So now I try again.

I use the back button, and the message about my new personal message is showing again. It often happens that a no longer current screen shows when using the back button. However in this instance, I have clicked on cancel already three times with that no longer needed window/screen, and it is unusually persistent. So I wonder about “data space limit has been exceeded”. (Usually that is correct in the case of shaytan’s bio-chemical outputs and intake:- remember that, their intake is represented by their output, in a simple quantity of intelligence logarithm. In instances in which shaytan can recite vast quantities of raw data; -raw for a Human mind, or an Angel, or a Djinn; though the shaytan may have worked at it somewhat in their way of wanting to disprove that Humans can be, since they can not so be-; it is that they are connecting in a very immediate sense newly with the Earth, and tend to retain memory of only small portions of what they might have recited. )

I will try one more time now, before proceeding to make my analysis of the verses quoted to me by swordofknowledge. First I have deleted half of the personal messages in the ‘inbox’ I am provided with by whyislam.

It starts with:

I will be making a few strong points regarding this post from early in the thread.

(I want to make a point here:)


This serves the dual purpose of showing a believer the way out of wrong in sihr, and imitating to non-believers that I might be the causal and guilty party to their language shirk if whyislam had any folk who of shaytan knew that particular shirk existed.

The posting function is still not working. As in the above shown server message. But as I am getting very curious and want to be able to make my experiement here in this writing visible, I find another thread to post in. It is started by swordoftruth and it is named “What may happen if all people become atheits?”

It starts:

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH THE MOSTGRACIOUS THE MOST MERCIFUL


WHAT MAY HAPPEN IF ALL PEOPLE BECOME ATHEISTS(not believing in te presence of GOD)?
(=The other face of Atheism)
Islam came to preserve & protect the 5 Basic Needs of life(Religion,Mind,Soul,Money&Family):


And becomes too bad to read very rapidly. The next post is from Bill2702, in the UK, who has made as many as 5007 posts, has no known religion and no forum rating.

He writes:
The first thing we would do is outlaw lousy punctuation.

My own post is number 42 and states:
If all people become atheists . . .
. . . then nothing might become,
of course.


Please bear in mind here that I am being myself extremely and uncomfortably receptive to a situation in which I had no mind to even begin this written work, neither be using the internet at this time, and particularly not whyislam. Yet in Allah I was lead so. This post is easily made, so I want to try the other again. Can I afford to one more time before I begin to make my analysis of how swordofknowledge had accessed Qur’an, or not?

I can not. As much as I want to play at hating not being able to post my words, I can not. My mind in Isa is preventing, and I want to be in Isa more than I want to try again now.

I notice from swordof knowledge that it is recommended in that individual’s opinion to trust the following site for Qur’an:
http://www.qurancomplex.org/default.asp?l=eng

I will investigate it in knowledge that my preference is http://www.altafsir.com but also that it will be more expedient to utilise the myislamweb programme in which I am already familiar with how to be enabled to compare different translations verse by verse, at: http://www.myislamweb.com/quran/

15:26-31 I am asked to place adjacent to 18:46 and then 7:11-22 and was given an example of within one specific translation.

I find out what translation swordoftruth prefers. I find rather that the website address offered is likeable. Yet I will use myislamweb only since I am accustomed to its navigation better. My will is to read in the verses before and after those I am directed to, and to read first that which swordofknowledge placed last.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:8]
The balance that day will be true (to nicety): those whose scale (of good) will be heavy, will prosper:
English Shakir: [7:8]
And the measuring out on that day will be just; then as for him whose measure (of good deeds) is heavy, those are they who shall be successful;
English Qaribullah: [7:8]
On that Day, the weighing is true. He whose scales are heavy - those are the prosperers,
English Muhsin Khan: [7:8]
And the weighing on that day (Day of Resurrection) will be the true (weighing). So as for those whose scale (of good deeds) will be heavy, they will be the successful (by entering Paradise).
English Pickthall: [7:8]
The weighing on that day is the true (weighing). As for those whose scale is heavy, they are the successful.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:9]
Those whose scale will be light, will be their souls in perdition, for that they wrongfully treated Our signs.
English Shakir: [7:9]
And as for him whose measure (of good deeds) is light those are they who have made their souls suffer loss because they disbelieved in Our communications.
English Qaribullah: [7:9]
but he whose scales are light - those have lost their souls because they were harmful towards Our verses.
English Muhsin Khan: [7:9]
And as for those whose scale will be light, they are those who will lose their ownselves (by entering Hell) because they denied and rejected Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.).
English Pickthall: [7:9]
And as for those whose scale is light: those are they who lose their souls because they disbelieved Our revelations.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:10]
It is We Who have placed you with authority on earth, and provided you therein with means for the fulfilment of your life: small are the thanks that ye give!
English Shakir: [7:10]
And certainly We have established you in the earth and made in it means of livelihood for you; little it is that you give thanks.
English Qaribullah: [7:10]
We established you in the earth and made for you a livelihood but little is it that you give thanks.
English Muhsin Khan: [7:10]
And surely, We gave you authority on the earth and appointed for you therein provisions (for your life). Little thanks do you give.
English Pickthall: [7:10]
And We have given you (mankind) power in the earth, and appointed for you therein a livelihood. Little give ye thanks!

English Yusuf Ali: [7:11]
It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate.
English Shakir: [7:11]
And certainly We created you, then We fashioned you, then We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam. So they did obeisance except Iblis; he was not of those who did obeisance.
English Qaribullah: [7:11]
We created you then We shaped you, then We said to the angels: 'Prostrate yourselves before Adam.' They all prostrated themselves except iblis - he was not among the prostrated.
English Muhsin Khan: [7:11]
And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.
English Pickthall: [7:11]
And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:12]
(Allah) said: "What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."
English Shakir: [7:12]
He said: What hindered you so that you did not make obeisance when I commanded you? He said: I am better than he: Thou hast created me of fire, while him Thou didst create of dust.
English Qaribullah: [7:12]
He (Allah) asked: 'What prevented you to prostrate, when I commanded you?' 'I am better than he,' he replied. 'You created me of fire and You created him of clay.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:12]
(Allah) said: "What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."
English Pickthall: [7:12]
He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:13]
(Allah) said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
English Shakir: [7:13]
He said: Then get forth from this (state), for it does not befit you to behave proudly therein. Go forth, therefore, surely you are of the abject ones.
English Qaribullah: [7:13]
He (Allah) said: 'Descend from it! This is no place for you to be proud. Begone, you are of the humiliated.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:13]
(Allah) said: "(O Iblis) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."
English Pickthall: [7:13]
He said: Then go down hence! It is not for thee to show pride here, so go forth! Lo! thou art of those degraded.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:14]
He said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."
English Shakir: [7:14]
He said: Respite me until the day when they are raised up.
English Qaribullah: [7:14]
he replied: 'Respite me till the Day of Resurrection.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:14]
(Iblis) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."
English Pickthall: [7:14]
He said: Reprieve me till the day when they are raised (from the dead).

English Yusuf Ali: [7:15]
(Allah) said: "Be thou among those who have respite."
English Shakir: [7:15]
He said: Surely you are of the respited ones.
English Qaribullah: [7:15]
Said He (Allah): 'you are among the respited,'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:15]
(Allah) said: "You are of those allowed respite."
English Pickthall: [7:15]
He said: Lo! thou art of those reprieved.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:16]
He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:
English Shakir: [7:16]
He said: As Thou hast caused me to remain disappointed I will certainly lie in wait for them in Thy straight path.
English Qaribullah: [7:16]
he answered: 'Because You have caused me to go astray, I will waylay them as they walk on Your Straight Path,
English Muhsin Khan: [7:16]
(Iblis) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.
English Pickthall: [7:16]
He said : Now, because Thou hast sent me astray, verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:17]
"Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies)."
English Shakir: [7:17]
Then I will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and Thou shalt not find most of them thankful.
English Qaribullah: [7:17]
and come upon them from the front and from the rear, from their right and from their left. Then, You shall find most of them ungrateful.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:17]
Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."
English Pickthall: [7:17]
Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right bands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee).

English Yusuf Ali: [7:18]
(Allah) said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.
English Shakir: [7:18]
He said: Get out of this (state), despised, driven away; whoever of them will follow you, I will certainly fill hell with you all.
English Qaribullah: [7:18]
'Begone!' said He, 'despised and outcast. (As for) those of them that follow you, I shall fill Gehenna (Hell) with all of you.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:18]
(Allah) said (to Iblis) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."
English Pickthall: [7:18]
He said: Go forth from hence, degraded, banished. As for such of them as follow thee, surely I will fill hell with all of you.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:19]
"O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish: but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
English Shakir: [7:19]
And (We said): O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the garden; so eat from where you desire, but do not go near this tree, for then you will be of the unjust.
English Qaribullah: [7:19]
'O Adam dwell with your wife in Paradise, and eat from whatever you please; but never approach this tree or you shall both become harmdoers.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:19]
"And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in Paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you both will be of the Zalimun (unjust and wrong?doers)."
English Pickthall: [7:19]
And (unto man): O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden and eat from whence ye will, but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:20]
Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."
English Shakir: [7:20]
But the Shaitan made an evil suggestion to them that he might make manifest to them what had been hidden from them of their evil inclinations, and he said: Your Lord has not forbidden you this tree except that you may not both become two angels or that you may (not) become of the immortals.
English Qaribullah: [7:20]
But satan whispered to them, so that he might reveal to them their shameful parts which had been hidden from them, he said: 'Your Lord has prohibited you from this tree lest you both become angels or become among the immortal.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:20]
Then Shaitan (Satan) whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals."
English Pickthall: [7:20]
Then Satan whispered to them that he might manifest unto them that which was hidden from them of their shame, and he said: Your Lord forbade you from this tree only lest ye should become angels or become of the immortals.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:21]
And he swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.
English Shakir: [7:21]
And he swore to them both: Most surely I am a sincere adviser to you.
English Qaribullah: [7:21]
he swore to both: 'Indeed, I am to you among the advisers.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:21]
And he [Shaitan (Satan)] swore by Allah to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well?wishers for you both."
English Pickthall: [7:21]
And he swore unto them (saying): Lo! I am a sincere adviser unto you.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:22]
So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"
English Shakir: [7:22]
Then he caused them to fall by deceit; so when they tasted of the tree, their evil inclinations became manifest to them, and they both began to cover themselves with the leaves of the garden; and their Lord called out to them: Did I not forbid you both from that tree and say to you that the Shaitan is your open enemy?
English Qaribullah: [7:22]
So he cheated both by delusion. And when they had tasted the tree, their shameful parts became apparent to them, and they both covered themselves with the leaves of Paradise. (Then) their Lord called to them, saying: 'Did I not prohibit you to approach that tree, and did I not warn you that satan was your clear enemy?'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:22]
So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Shaitan (Satan) is an open enemy unto you?"
English Pickthall: [7:22]
Thus did he lead them on with guile. And when they tasted of the tree their shame was manifest to them and they began to hide (by heaping) on themselves some of the leaves of the Garden. And their Lord called them, (saying): Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you: Lo! Satan is an open enemy to you?

English Yusuf Ali: [7:23]
They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls: If thou forgive us not and bestow not upon us Thy Mercy, we shall certainly be lost."
English Shakir: [7:23]
They said: Our Lord! We have been unjust to ourselves, and if Thou forgive us not, and have (not) mercy on us, we shall certainly be of the losers.
English Qaribullah: [7:23]
Both replied: 'Lord, We have harmed ourselves. If You do not forgive us and have mercy on us, we shall surely be among the lost.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:23]
They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers."
English Pickthall: [7:23]
They said : Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If Thou forgive us not and have not mercy on us, surely we are of the lost!

English Yusuf Ali: [7:24]
(Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."
English Shakir: [7:24]
He said: Get forth, some of you, the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time.
English Qaribullah: [7:24]
He said: 'Descend, each of you an enemy to each other. The earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time.
English Muhsin Khan: [7:24]
(Allah) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other [i.e. Adam, Hawwa (Eve), and Shaitan (Satan), etc.]. On earth will be a dwelling?place for you and an enjoyment, - for a time."
English Pickthall: [7:24]
He said: Go down (from hence), one of you a foe unto the other. There will be for you on earth a habitation and provision for a while.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:25]
He said: "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)."
English Shakir: [7:25]
He (also) said: Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die, and from it shall you be raised.
English Qaribullah: [7:25]
He said: 'There you shall live and there you shall die, and from there you shall emerge.'
English Muhsin Khan: [7:25]
He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e.resurrected)."
English Pickthall: [7:25]
He said: There shall ye live, and there shall ye die, and thence shall ye be brought forth.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:26]
O ye Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover your shame, as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness,- that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition!
English Shakir: [7:26]
O children of Adam! We have indeed sent down to you clothing to cover your shame, and (clothing) for beauty and clothing that guards (against evil), that is the best. This is of the communications of Allah that they may be mindful.
English Qaribullah: [7:26]
Children of Adam! We have sent down to you clothing that covers your nakedness, and feathers. But the clothing of piety - that is better. That is one of the signs of Allah, in order that they remember.
English Muhsin Khan: [7:26]
O Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc.) and as an adornment, and the raiment of righteousness, that is better. Such are among the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, that they may remember (i.e. leave falsehood and follow truth).
English Pickthall: [7:26]
O Children of Adam! We have revealed unto you raiment to conceal your shame, and splendid vesture, but the raiment of restraint from evil, that is best. This is of the revelations of Allah, that they may remember.

English Yusuf Ali: [7:27]
O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame: for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them: We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith.
English Shakir: [7:27]
O children of Adam! let not the Shaitan cause you to fall into affliction as he expelled your parents from the garden, pulling off from them both their clothing that he might show them their evil inclinations, he surely sees you, he as well as his host, from whence you cannot see them; surely We have made the Shaitans to be the guardians of those who do not believe.
English Qaribullah: [7:27]
Children of Adam! Do not let satan tempt you, as he brought your parents out of Paradise. He stripped them of their garments to show them their shameful parts. Indeed he and his descendants see you from where you cannot see them. We have made the satans supporters of those who do not believe.
English Muhsin Khan: [7:27]
O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (Satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabiluhu (his soldiers from the jinns or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.
English Pickthall: [7:27]
O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that be might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not.




The sense of the verses which I have been instructed to undertake to learn the meaning of by swordofknowledge is alike to:

• Iblis did not bow down under Adam
• Allah asks why not and Iblis tells he is of the light of smokeless fire while Adam is of clay
• Iblis is informed that his self had become of the lowliest in shame
• Iblis asks for rest until the lowliest are raised up
• Allah grants Iblis rest among those He is with
• Iblis states that because He is to be among those whom are in envy that he will not be able to prevent but lead astray Humanity who follow a different path
• Iblis describes that then He will be enabled to entrap the Human nature into Islam
• Allah commands Iblis to adopt unto himself a nature that is the semblance of being disgraced and ostracised and that if any Human in the way of learning righteousness might follow Iblis into that state of existing, that every life thereby will enter Hell
• Allah instructs Adam to never approach the tree of this knowledge, and that if He might He could only become a doer of harm
• Shaytan enticed Adam and Eve to approach the tree and uncover His own shame by telling of its way that Adam and Eve may thus become Angels born into Everlasting life
• Shaytan told, despite his own sin in telling it, that his advice is correct
• Adam and Eve failed to attend to the fact that shaytan was wrong in giving to them an advice and assuming he might accept full responsibility for his advising that they might not need to, they took his advice into their behaviour and feel; then Allah directed Adam and Eve to heed why their mistake had been made, in that Allah told not to approach the tree and shaytan explained also it is wrong only of the approach and not the knowledge


These points above are only the transliteration which my own mind formulates in this hour, and perhaps the form of language in use will already make this description redundant by next week.

After this it happens:
• Adam and Eve proclaim realisation of no way not to rely upon Allah alone for Forgiveness and Compassion (the words “no way not to” identify a Human consciousness in expression of the dajjal’s sihr)
• Allah instructs Adam and Eve to go down into warfare and enjoy the Earth in time
• Allah instructs Adam and Eve will live at Earth to die at Earth and at a later time arise from Earth
• Children of Adam are given clothing to be a sign in Allah (this verse is a favourite of the shaytan since they transpose it in their own minds to be that it was their act rather than Allah’s in causing clothing, and the following verse repudiating that mentality suits letting the shaytan so imagine themselves to have been powerful)
• Children of Adam are instructed not to follow Adam and Eve in failing to remember what shaytan, so as to prevent that children also find shameful lesson in wrongs not of their own act

And before it is:
• The balance in measuring density will favour heavy
• Who measures themselves light will suffer loss in having missed signs revealed
• Mankind is given Earth and is small in gratitude


In these verses I find no defining that Djinn were wrong to let a Human man worship Allah through their own self and knowledge held in Allah.

Then also is:

English Yusuf Ali: [15:23]
And verily, it is We Who give life, and Who give death: it is We Who remain inheritors (after all else passes away).
English Shakir: [15:23]
And most surely We bring to life and cause to die and We are the heirs.
English Qaribullah: [15:23]
And surely, it is We who give life and make to die. We are the Inheritor.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:23]
And certainly We! We it is Who give life, and cause death, and We are the Inheritors.
English Pickthall: [15:23]
Lo! and it is We, even We, Who quicken and give death, and We are the Inheritor.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:24]
To Us are known those of you who hasten forward, and those who lag behind.
English Shakir: [15:24]
And certainly We know those of you who have gone before and We certainly know those who shall come later.
English Qaribullah: [15:24]
We know those of you who press forward, and We know the laggards,
English Muhsin Khan: [15:24]
And indeed, We know the first generations of you who had passed away, and indeed, We know the present generations of you (mankind), and also those who will come afterwards.
English Pickthall: [15:24]
And verily We know the eager among you and verily We know the laggards.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:25]
Assuredly it is thy Lord Who will gather them together: for He is perfect in Wisdom and Knowledge.
English Shakir: [15:25]
And surely your Lord will gather them together; surely He is Wise, Knowing.
English Qaribullah: [15:25]
and it is your Lord who will gather them. He is Wise, Knowing.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:25]
And verily, your Lord will gather them together. Truly, He is All-Wise, All-Knowing.
English Pickthall: [15:25]
Lo! thy Lord will gather them together. Lo! He is Wise, Aware.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:26]
We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
English Shakir: [15:26]
And certainly We created man of clay that gives forth sound, of black mud fashioned in shape.
English Qaribullah: [15:26]
We created mankind from clay, molded from mud,
English Muhsin Khan: [15:26]
And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
English Pickthall: [15:26]
Verily We created man of potter's clay of black mud altered,

English Yusuf Ali: [15:27]
And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
English Shakir: [15:27]
And the jinn We created before, of intensely hot fire.
English Qaribullah: [15:27]
and before him We created the jinn from smokeless fire.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:27]
And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.
English Pickthall: [15:27]
And the jinn did We create aforetime of essential fire.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:28]
Behold! thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;
English Shakir: [15:28]
And when your Lord said to the angels: Surely I am going to create a mortal of the essence of black mud fashioned in shape.
English Qaribullah: [15:28]
When your Lord said to the angels: 'See, I am creating a mortal from clay of molded mud.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:28]
And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: \"I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
English Pickthall: [15:28]
And (remember) when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am creating a mortal out of potter's clay of black mud altered.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:29]
"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
English Shakir: [15:29]
So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of My spirit, fall down making obeisance to him.
English Qaribullah: [15:29]
When I have shaped him and ran My created soul in him fall down prostrating towards him'.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:29]
\"So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him.\"
English Pickthall: [15:29]
So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:30]
So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together:
English Shakir: [15:30]
So the angels made obeisance, all of them together,
English Qaribullah: [15:30]
All the angels prostrated themselves,
English Muhsin Khan: [15:30]
So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together.
English Pickthall: [15:30]
So the angels fell prostrate, all of them together

HEnglish Yusuf Ali: [15:31]
Not so Iblis: he refused to be among those who prostrated themselves.
English Shakir: [15:31]
But Iblis (did it not); he refused to be with those who made obeisance.
English Qaribullah: [15:31]
except iblis (father of the jinn) who refused to be one of those who prostrated themselves.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:31]
Except Iblis (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators.
English Pickthall: [15:31]
Save Iblis. He refused to be among the prostrate.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:32]
(Allah) said: "O Iblis! what is your reason for not being among those who prostrated themselves?"
English Shakir: [15:32]
He said: O Iblis! what excuse have you that you are not with those who make obeisance?
English Qaribullah: [15:32]
He said: 'iblis, what is the matter with you, that you do you not prostrate yourself?'
English Muhsin Khan: [15:32]
(Allah) said: \"O Iblis (Satan)! What is your reason for not being among the prostrators?\"
English Pickthall: [15:32]
He said: O Iblis! What aileth thee that thou art not among the prostrate?

English Yusuf Ali: [15:33]
(Iblis) said: "I am not one to prostrate myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."
English Shakir: [15:33]
He said: I am not such that I should make obeisance to a mortal whom Thou hast created of the essence of black mud fashioned in shape.
English Qaribullah: [15:33]
He replied: 'I will not prostrate to a mortal You have created of clay, from molded mud.'
English Muhsin Khan: [15:33]
[Iblis (Satan)] said: \"I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.\"
English Pickthall: [15:33]
He said: Why should I prostrate myself unto a mortal whom Thou hast created out of potter's clay of black mud altered?

English Yusuf Ali: [15:34]
(Allah) said: "Then get thee out from here; for thou art rejected, accursed.
English Shakir: [15:34]
He said: Then get out of it, for surely you are driven away:
English Qaribullah: [15:34]
(Allah) said: 'Begone, you are accursed!
English Muhsin Khan: [15:34]
(Allah) said: \"Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajim (an outcast or a cursed one).\" [Tafsir At-Tabari]
English Pickthall: [15:34]
He said: Then go thou forth from hence, for verily thou art outcast.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:35]
"And the curse shall be on thee till the day of Judgment."
English Shakir: [15:35]
And surely on you is curse until the day of judgment.
English Qaribullah: [15:35]
A curse shall be on you till the Day of Recompense.'
English Muhsin Khan: [15:35]
\"And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection).\"
English Pickthall: [15:35]
And lo! the curse shall be upon thee till the Day of Judgment.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:36]
(Iblis) said: "O my Lord! give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised."
English Shakir: [15:36]
He said: My Lord! then respite me till the time when they are raised.
English Qaribullah: [15:36]
He said: 'My Lord, reprieve me till the Day they are raised.'
English Muhsin Khan: [15:36]
[Iblis (Satan)] said: \"O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day they (the dead) will be resurrected.\"
English Pickthall: [15:36]
He said: My Lord! Reprieve me till the day when they are raised.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:37]
(Allah) said: "Respite is granted thee
English Shakir: [15:37]
He said: So surely you are of the respited ones
English Qaribullah: [15:37]
He answered: 'You are among those reprieved
English Muhsin Khan: [15:37]
Allah said: \"Then, verily, you are of those reprieved,
English Pickthall: [15:37]
He said: Then lo! thou art of those reprieved

English Yusuf Ali: [15:38]
"Till the Day of the Time appointed."
English Shakir: [15:38]
Till the period of the time made known.
English Qaribullah: [15:38]
till the appointed time.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:38]
\"Till the Day of the time appointed.\"
English Pickthall: [15:38]
Till an appointed time.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:39]
(Iblis) said: "O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong,-
English Shakir: [15:39]
He said: My Lord! because Thou hast made life evil to me, I will certainly make (evil) fair-seeming to them on earth, and I will certainly cause them all to deviate
English Qaribullah: [15:39]
(satan) said: 'My Lord, for Your perverting me, I shall make (matters) in the earth seem most fair to them and I shall pervert all,
English Muhsin Khan: [15:39]
[Iblis (Satan)] said: \"O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.
English Pickthall: [15:39]
He said: My Lord, Because Thou has sent me astray, I verily shall adorn the path of error for them in the earth, and shall mislead them every one.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:40]
"Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."
English Shakir: [15:40]
Except Thy servants from among them, the devoted ones.
English Qaribullah: [15:40]
except the devoted amongst Your worshippers.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:40]
\"Except Your chosen, (guided) slaves among them.\"
English Pickthall: [15:40]
Save such of them as are Thy perfectly devoted slaves.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:41]
(Allah) said: "This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed a way that leads straight to Me.
English Shakir: [15:41]
He said: This is a right way with Me:
English Qaribullah: [15:41]
He (Allah) said: 'This is for Me the Right Path
English Muhsin Khan: [15:41]
(Allah) said: \"This is the Way which will lead straight to Me.\"
English Pickthall: [15:41]
He said: This is a right course incumbent upon Me:

English Yusuf Ali: [15:42]
"For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong and follow thee."
English Shakir: [15:42]
Surely. as regards My servants, you have no authority ,over them except those who follow you of the deviators.
English Qaribullah: [15:42]
over My worshipers you have no authority, except the perverse that follow you.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:42]
\"Certainly, you shall have no authority over My slaves, except those who follow you of the Ghawin (Mushrikun and those who go astray, criminals, polytheists, and evil-doers, etc.).
English Pickthall: [15:42]
Lo! as for My slaves, thou hast no power over any of them save such of the froward as follow thee,

English Yusuf Ali: [15:43]
And verily, Hell is the promised abode for them all!
English Shakir: [15:43]
And surely Hell is the promised place of them all:
English Qaribullah: [15:43]
Gehenna (Hell) will be the promise for all of them.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:43]
\"And surely, Hell is the promised place for them all.
English Pickthall: [15:43]
And lo! for all such, hell will be the promised place.

English Yusuf Ali: [15:44]
To it are seven gates: for each of those gates is a (special) class (of sinners) assigned.
English Shakir: [15:44]
It has seven gates; for every gate there shall be a separate party of them.
English Qaribullah: [15:44]
It has seven gates, and through each gate a portion of them belong.
English Muhsin Khan: [15:44]
\"It (Hell) has seven gates, for each of those gates is a (special) class (of sinners) assigned.
English Pickthall: [15:44]
It hath seven gates, and each gate hath an appointed portion.


And my own transliterating in time, so temporary, is:
• Life and Death are given, and inheritance of Earth exists despite death
• Who acquires necessary knowing before need, and who after need, are knowable
• All are one in Allah of Allah’s universality hence our transparency to HIM
• Humanity is made of alike to the mud which a vessel can be forged from
• Djinn is made before Humanity of alike to wind passing through a hot smokeless fire, thus at core intangible to beings not Djinn
• Allah commanded and Angels observed obedience to his command in the making of men by forming the vessel out from the raw material
• Allah instructs Angels to be obedient in Him as though under Adam in stature, for no other reason than that Allah created Adam and so for love of Allah if not Adam (is Adam Djinn, since who could have seen him, and in the beginning was He before clay to make from or after?)
• The Angels undertook what Allah commanded all at the same time
• Except Iblis whom could not
• Allah asks Iblis for reason in not manifesting underneath Adam
• Iblis pointed to the heavy density of the clay being the reason
• Allah told Iblis that Iblis was in himself of Rajim (the Rajim are the real shaytan, whose intelligence is of a lesser status than men: and it is a more precise term than “shaytan” for those individuals whom venerate the moon as home rather than Earth underfoot; while the shaytan could be any individual self but always the property of a Djinn, which is in confusion as to whether it is Rajim. Rajim are likely to claim to be whatever is auspicious but prove they are not what they claim thereby, which is similar to Djinn seeming to be impossible, but in a different scale of possibility, and rather more like to proving glass being a liquid, while Djinn prove wind hot and fire cold )
• A curse was made upon Iblis until the Day of Judgment
• Iblis asked for grace during the period He is cursed within
• Grace is granted
• Grace is granted only until a time which will be known in advance
• Iblis informs Allah that because He is being made into a creature alike to being wrong always, that He will so cause to other beings he can so do for that Allah need not
• Iblis commits not to cause that to happen to real servants of Allah
• Allah agrees with Iblis that it is impossible for a real servant of Allah to be rekindled by Iblis among Rajim
• Allah defines that impossibility in that Iblis has no authority over who is real in service of Allah; yet Allah makes exception for who can follow Iblis by causing the wrong unto their own nature than no other being could so fault
• It is the general agreement that Hell is for every life, whether they do to their own self or another living being does
• Hell has seven gates and each gate is assigned a specific sin in isolation from every other (This is an extremely important fact: because it means that if I could not distinguish my greed from my pride, and neither can Rajim, that I can not be forced through the gate for greed since the matter is not settled as to whether it is greed or pride)

These are verses telling about Iblis adopting that he is exposed to among Rajim as though his true nature, and thus is the manifestation of the concept of shaytan: much as any of us might yawn around a group of persons whom only yawn and never laugh. Iblis is having his own shaytan alike to Rajim having shaytan.

(I am not educated in Arabic so please correct me if the language better works in the reverse that the Shaytan have Rajim. To my mind both are correct.)

However I can not find any information here which defines that no Man or girl might be precluded from worship of a proven individual such as a Prophet when during the term of that Prophethood, so in constant perfected Iman.

Now, swordoftruth placed after the portion of verses 26 to 31 from Al-Hijr;

[Al Hijr- the rocky tract- a Surah defining the way of those whom work with Iblis to hold Rajim accountable, and learn to distinguish a Rajim from any other being, such that no more need there be any shaytan when that process is complete]

But before the verses 11 to 22 of Al-Araaf;

[Al Araaf- the heights- depicting the heighest extreme of frequency of the vibrations of matter into which Adam and Eve had taken their mind in want of Iblis own story]

The following:

NOW READ SURA 18:46:
50. And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves unto Adam." So they prostrated themselves except Iblîs (Satan). He was one of the jinn; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblîs) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zâlimûn (polytheists, and wrong-doers).

Thus it is not clear to me if it is Surah 18 verse 46 or verse 50 required of me, except that 50 is the verse in the quote, so that is my assumption. I will thereby begin my analysis of meaning I find in, at verse 47. Especially since verse 46 had been subject to further ill attention from the shaytan, and so is in need of many earlier verses to contextualise it correctly.

English Yusuf Ali: [18:47]
One Day We shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, and We shall gather them, all together, nor shall We leave out any one of them.
English Shakir: [18:47]
And the day on which We will cause the mountains to pass away and you will see the earth a leveled plain and We will gather them and leave not any one of them behind.
English Qaribullah: [18:47]
And on the Day when We shall set the mountains in motion and you shall see the earth a leveled plain; when We gather them together, and would not leave even one behind,
English Muhsin Khan: [18:47]
And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind.
English Pickthall: [18:47]
And (bethink you of) the Day when We remove the hills and ye see the earth emerging, and We gather them together so as to leave not one of them behind.

English Yusuf Ali: [18:48]
And they will be marshalled before thy Lord in ranks, (with the announcement), "Now have ye come to Us (bare) as We created you first: aye, ye thought We shall not fulfil the appointment made to you to meet (Us)!":
English Shakir: [18:48]
And they shall be brought before your Lord, standing in ranks: Now certainly you have come to Us as We created you at first. Nay, you thought that We had not appointed to you a time of the fulfillment of the promise.
English Qaribullah: [18:48]
and they shall be presented in ranks before your Lord (who will say to them:) 'You have returned to Us as We created you the first time. No, you claimed We would not appoint a meeting for you!
English Muhsin Khan: [18:48]
And they will be set before your Lord in (lines as) rows, (and Allah will say): \"Now indeed, you have come to Us as We created you the first time. Nay, but you thought that We had appointed no meeting for you (with Us).\"
English Pickthall: [18:48]
And they are set before thy Lord in ranks (and it is said unto them): Now verily have ye come unto Us as We created you at the first. But ye thought that We had set no tryst for you.

English Yusuf Ali: [18:49]
And the Book (of Deeds) will be placed (before you); and thou wilt see the sinful in great terror because of what is (recorded) therein; they will say, "Ah! woe to us! what a Book is this! It leaves out nothing small or great, but takes account thereof!" They will find all that they did, placed before them: And not one will thy Lord treat with injustice.
English Shakir: [18:49]
And the Book shall be placed, then you will see the guilty fearing from what is in it, and they will say: Ah! woe to us! what a book is this! it does not omit a small one nor a great one, but numbers them (all); and what they had done they shall find present (there); and your Lord does not deal unjustly with anyone.
English Qaribullah: [18:49]
And the Book shall be set in place, and you will see the sinners fearful of what is in it.' They shall say: 'Woe to us! How is it, this book omits nothing small or great, all are counted!' And they shall find what they did is present, and Your Lord will wrong no one.
English Muhsin Khan: [18:49]
And the Book (one\'s Record) will be placed (in the right hand for a believer in the Oneness of Allah, and in the left hand for a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah), and you will see the Mujrimun (criminals, polytheists, sinners, etc.), fearful of that which is (recorded) therein. They will say: \"Woe to us! What sort of Book is this that leaves neither a small thing nor a big thing, but has recorded it with numbers!\" And they will find all that they did, placed before them, and your Lord treats no one with injustice.
English Pickthall: [18:49]
And the Book is placed, and thou seest the guilty fearful of that which is therein, and they say: What Kind of a book is this that leaveth not a small thing nor a great thing but hath counted it! And they find all that they did confronting them, and thy Lord wrongeth no one.

English Yusuf Ali: [18:50]
Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!
English Shakir: [18:50]
And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam; they made obeisance but Iblis (did it not). He was of the jinn, so he transgressed the commandment of his Lord. What! would you then take him and his offspring for friends rather than Me, and they are your enemies? Evil is (this) change for the unjust.
English Qaribullah: [18:50]
When We said to the angels: 'Prostrate yourselves before Adam,' all prostrated themselves except iblis, who was one of the jinn, disobedient to the command of his Lord. Would you then take him and his descendants to be your guardians, other than Me, when they are your clear enemy? How evil is the exchange for the harmdoers!
English Muhsin Khan: [18:50]
And (remember) when We said to the angels; \"Prostrate to Adam.\" So they prostrated except Iblis (Satan). He was one of the jinns; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblis) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zalimun (polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc).
English Pickthall: [18:50]
And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the Jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you? Calamitous is the exchange for evil doers!

English Yusuf Ali: [18:51]
I called them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor (even) their own creation: nor is it for helpers such as Me to take as lead (men) astray!
English Shakir: [18:51]
I did not make them witnesses of the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor of the creation of their own souls; nor could I take those who lead (others) astray for aiders.
English Qaribullah: [18:51]
Neither did I make them witnesses at the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor at their own creation. I would never take those who lead others astray to be My supporters.
English Muhsin Khan: [18:51]
I (Allah) made them (Iblis and his offspring) not to witness (nor took their help in) the creation of the heavens and the earth and not (even) their own creation, nor was I (Allah) to take the misleaders as helpers.
English Pickthall: [18:51]
I made them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor their own creation; nor choose I misleaders for (My) helpers.

English Yusuf Ali: [18:52]
One Day He will say, "Call on those whom ye thought to be My partners," and they will call on them, but they will not listen to them; and We shall make for them a place of common perdition.
English Shakir: [18:52]
And on the day when He shall say: Call on those whom you considered to be My associates. So they shall call on them, but they shall not answer them, and We will cause a separation between them.
English Qaribullah: [18:52]
And the Day He will say: 'Call on those whom you claimed to be My associates.' They will invoke them, but they will receive no answer, for We shall place a gulf between them.
English Muhsin Khan: [18:52]
And (remember) the Day He will say:\"Call those (so-called) partners of Mine whom you pretended.\" Then they will cry unto them, but they will not answer them, and We shall put Maubiqa (a barrier, or enmity, or destruction, or a valley in Hell) between them.
English Pickthall: [18:52]
And (be mindful of) the Day when He will say: Call those partners of Mine whom ye pretended. Then they will cry unto them, but they will not hear their prayer, and We shall set a gulf of doom between them.

English Yusuf Ali: [18:53]
And the Sinful shall see the fire and apprehend that they have to fall therein: no means will they find to turn away therefrom.
English Shakir: [18:53]
And the guilty shall see the fire, then they shall know that they are going to fall into it, and they shall not find a place to which to turn away from it.
English Qaribullah: [18:53]
And when the evildoers see the Fire of Hell they will reckon it is there they shall fall. They shall find no escape from it.
English Muhsin Khan: [18:53]
And the Mujrimun (criminals, polytheists, sinners), shall see the Fire and apprehend that they have to fall therein. And they will find no way of escape from there.
English Pickthall: [18:53]
And the guilty behold the Fire and know that they are about to fall therein, and they find no way of escape thence:

English Yusuf Ali: [18:54]
We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious.
English Shakir: [18:54]
And certainly We have explained in this Quran every kind of example, and man is most of all given to contention.
English Qaribullah: [18:54]
We have set forth for people in this Koran all manner of parables; the human is the most disputatious of things.
English Muhsin Khan: [18:54]
And indeed We have put forth every kind of example in this Quran, for mankind. But, man is ever more quarrelsome than anything.
English Pickthall: [18:54]
And verily We have displayed for mankind in this Quran all manner of similitudes, but man is more than anything contentious.


Here are these eight verses of Al-Kahf
(Al Kahf –The Cave- the disease of claustrophobia explained among other):
• One Day Allah will remove mountains in gathering up the whole principal of what made any mountain (what is the cause of a mountain? Men? Djinn? Allah? Rajim? Or only that we confuse men and djinn with Rajim; that thus shaytan became.)
• The mountain causing principal, whomever they may be, are brought knowingly before Allah whom reminds them that they had every opportunity to learn that they will need face him, and that they in fact already know he is their creator, but they refuted the knowledge he gave of the time and place of meeting their maker
• And these makers of mountains (from molehills- rather termite mounds!) are to have a book ordered and located to their awareness and observe fear among who knows what the book contains and then tell that the book bodes ill for their method since it never fails to record the entire factual account in good measure, and every among will find their own self in that book recorded, and Allah will show real mercy in correct account for every of them
• And when the Angels were commanded to bow down before Adam, and Iblis did not, and so became a transgressor; Rajim causal to the mountains chose to be lead by Iblis not Allah
• These are who were not created to bear witness of creation in heaven and Earth and neither their own creation; and neither for helping are they created
• Allah will say to Rajim to call upon whom had accountably with Allah worked, and Rajim will call upon the righteous in prayer, but the righteous believers will not let their ears hear to answer and a gulf of hell will open between whom serve Allah and whom are liars (it is the crying wolf story!)
• The wrongdoers will see the fire of hell and realize their inevitable descent has no escape
• Allah explains in Qur’an every example in its similarities, but men like to contend



Thus surely will this writing ever prove contentious.

As for swordoftruth: My own comprehension is that perhaps its use of the method of sending myself a personal message, had only been in way of complaint that my method was not being short and to the point enough for the methods usually preferred in Islam at whyislam.org

Also their method is of undertaking to be the responsibly owners of any part of knowledge which they are extracting from their user group. In which I guess that my posts about Trinity are well within their responsibility to commit to the price of any falsifications of that might have come to be by accident through them.

Briefly it is in Allah thus:
Father, Son and Holy Ghost, are an allegorical teaching of the three forces of which every matter is made.

The holy affirmative is Faith, the holy denying is Hope, and the holy reconciliation is Love

Alike to as Moses taught.

Faith of Consciousness is Freedom
Faith of Feeling is Weakness
Faith of Body is Stupidity

Love of Consciousness evokes the same in response
Love of Feeling evokes the opposite
Love of Body depends only upon Type and Polarity

Hope of Consciousness is Strength
Hope of Feeling is Slavery
Hope of Body is Disease


There is another portion of what is in my own knowledge, which was taken as to own by those moderating at WhyIslam also: in their well worn method of learning the lessons better then before.

That of the ray of creation. In its grandest it exists like this:

Doh: Allah in Absolute is one unity of indivisible organized intelligence in the highest and finest density

See: Arch Angels reside in this density and one way of understanding Isa is that as a son of God this is the density his mind is constantly with ability to manipulate, as also Iblis, also Arch Angel Gabriel, Michael, and many others even including Beelzebub: whom can all work in any of Faith Love or Hope but only one at a time, and never combined as only Allah is able: and under such Angels as these named whom are at all times guarded by Cherubim: is many others such as Hosanna, who is in the highest since His principal is pure Faith: and this density of matter is the layer of the universe in which world creation laws are enacted so can be know as containing every world (but not just any)

Lah: Ordinary Angels inhabit this density, and in many gradations of density, so that perhaps the ordering of Angels has its equivalent from just one order to the next, in the correspondences from a grass seed to a Saint: and at this density of matter are all the solar systems able to be comprehended

Soh: A Saint’s Soul inhabits this density of the energy of light, and can emit energy at light speed, as well as receive within an accountable Human nature: it is also the density at which every unique Sun is a living being: it is also the finest density, most rarefied density, in which the matter can be condensed as self rather than as Spirit or Soul; and in that density of the self the self is only possible in Sihr, and only able to be accounted for direct by Allah and Arch Angels (This is where my own terror of perception is enabled to know the fire is essential since I have noticed myself what I can not account for)

Fah: At this density is the whole solar system in orbit around our own sun; and also the living breath is of the same density as Human Spirit; and the Alaqa of a Man. The self that can understand this density is of only Angels up finer than the lower orders, but not nearly so fine as Arch Angels: and it is that also of the Morkahley, who are monsters of unreconciled Human Spirit which Angel and Djinn might have, but whom are not of sihr.

Mee: At this density is every planet in our solar system: and also the feelings of a Human life : those whom Rajim are had not yet evolved the Alaqa beyond this density before they fell: thus they short circuited an evolutionary possibility, but in so enacting, made for themselves the new evolutionary possibility of the moon. Normally the self that is a well being in Human perception, and including of Saints, is only able to know of any law or fact in this density, as any truly Human mind can in accuracy thus. Though there is a range of density in which a Human self exists within this plane, and the next lower (of monetary ownership to the self)

Rey: At this density is Earth and one day also the moon will be stablized enough in evolution to become no longer the terror of the situation at Earth, and so be a planet (when everlasting life is attained) at this density: and our Earthly body exists in this plane and frequency of vibration of matter also (money is here when accountible)

Doh: At this density is the moon before it becomes a planet, and is also the Absolute nothing from which Allah creates everything in the laws he created for all matter to be obedient within (money falls to here when people assume of it any wealth of a finer density than the basic Earth bound set of gravity driven laws will enable:- and this fact is the key to the wealth of Islam: upon which never dare you to speculate of that which any internet site might have conceived of the worth of money being; for to do so is only to also reduce yourself)

(not the Simpson’s, though a Springfield is being built down the road a bit from me)

At that will I return to whyislam to find what is happening with my post about God without Religion.

It is successfully placed now. And I make another post thereafter, like this:

Originally posted by mai moslemah (who is quoting from that:)
Originally posted by Bill2702

What happens when you find that an aspect of God's morality clashes with your own sense of right and wrong?

(then mai moslemah begins a reply with:)

First is God. . . .

I only here need place the fact that if we focus our attention upon God being first, without our self discipline, then we are actually putting our self first.

Whereas if we can believe first in the need to believe in our self, and that we can not believe in God UNLESS we believe in ourself; then we can naturally realise knowledge in God is far more perfect than our self.

Salam

I like the Why Islam site because it is always fast moving and always has decent conversion around the lesson in very consistently consciously interesting topics. Some folk are averse to WhyIslam since they play hard a bit, I guess. But in truth, I prefer their method to many others in use in Muslim internet sites. And really, perhaps they are correct about my posts, aren’t they? That not all of are for immediate public level of reader. But it just gets my horse if I am being repudiated through a few decent points in the Islam of one person, which my mind very very readily can disprove.

The problem with sihr causing faults in machinery and software, exists at every level of the use of every electric appliance: and I have only come across two Muslim web sites totally unaffected of negative consequence in Allah by shaytan sihr, which are: http://www.altafsir.com and http://www.ammanmessage.com


These facts about Islam on the internet aside now. I need to make a few important points and here is as good a place as any to make this more important news. I will only pose a set of questions arising in my own mind, in association with facts to my knowledge:

Why is the Indian CNN News Service very reliably accessing very small print run Australian Socialist Newspapers for their News about the arrest and incarceration of Dr Muhamed Haneef?

Why are the local criminal and casino frequenting public in the region (highest land values in monetary counts) Dr Haneef was arrested in, (where there are many many Arab tourists now during our winter season), so afraid of real terrorists arriving in Australia (to blow us all up), that they imagined that Dr Haneef photographing a tall residential and hotel tower block, was that he has the blue print to the architechure and engineering specifications, and then proceeded to tip of the police without evidence?

Why are the Australian police accepting such a tip off?

What happened to Dr Haneef in the police holding cells and at Wacol (right down the train line, closer to me than the new Springfield) Prison?

Bear that question in mind within the following facts:
• Australian organised crime has been working aligned with Malay and Indonesian since at least the early 1970’s;
• I know a considerably significant number of Indigenous men of every shade of skin colour, whom have been imprisoned for a time, often as juveniles in adult prisons, and often unlawfully – and there is not one incident to my immediate knowledge, in which a man has been enabled to escape being forcibly sodomised, and having to choose to abuse his body with drugs to escape further sodomy, and being racially discriminated against to such extremes that our whole culture is suffering the effect, and the extremes are inclusive of a division being decided around what biological phenomenon can discriminate two parts in a shirk, determined by whether a man has been anally raped often enough to have learned how not to have an erection caused by the pressure upon the prostate (black if you are a flop and white if not);
• I heard about a sixteen year old boy who was arrested for sexually molesting a minor, and recognised that the police would likely be going to cause him be raped in prison into believing that he was truly a paedophile, and I believed in the possibility in which he might not be sodomised;
• I was working at shifting the emphasis in a patch of very bad consequences of sihr when I read about Dr Haneef and heard about this boy in the same day, but I am not who knows if there is a real correspondence;
• The prison system is rife with heroin being sold far too cheap, which is known to be coming in from a route that travels west, and northwest, from Afghanistan, avoiding Pakistan;
• An Australian soldier who came home from the middle east via Guantanamo Bay because he refused an American commanding officer’s order to shoot to kill a man through any child in his arms as though a child is only a human shield, told me that he had been accessing morphine habitually for pleasure while on duty in the Army and in Guantanamo Bay;
• I have knowledge of heroin dealing in which there is a sale of method of hiding the blaming of Afghani people for Australian herion use, as well sale of the actual drug.

I suspect that the method might be that of holding Arab Muslims accountable for not having been supporting Indigenous Australian Muslims. In which, our heroin using criminals will, of course, be paying; since they are certainly by now all in Islam, if not Muslim. And they will pay Afghanistan first, since they are all in a mental sickness of using another needle to try to find a way to get out of paying for the soil of Afghanistan. I have a way, I believe they will all be turning into the seeds of the Spinifex grass which hold the Australian sands down, to be blown away to whence there are new places to invest with our Australian bothers. The termites eat the Spinifex, and larger insects and small lizards eat the termites, and bigger lizards eat them, and snakes join in also, and a few small marsupials and birds, and really big lizards, which are enough meat for a month to a Human family. So here in Australia we inhabit the driest desert. It is co-located with the site known to be where the moon once split away from the Earth, and where the rocks of the Earths crust point vertically up towards Heaven as though still amid giving birth to the moon. Uluru and Katatjuka are where no man can exist without his mind in Islam. And even the men in these places, are among whom have been sodomised in the modern prisons. I am married to one such old man, within the traditional Aboriginal culture, but as a second or subsequent wife, and without a baby to him, it is only that He owns me and all my worth, until another man can make a more appropriate claim upon me than he can. He is just one among very many modern traditional Aboriginal men whom have been hurt by the situation I am describing. A good one third of the total population are counted in Allah and in Isa as being in their salvation.

Meanwhile the Federal police and Army are invading the small communities of Human beings, which have only recently become settled out of a fully nomadic tribal life. Many old people remember seeing the first white men in their land when they were children. Their will is too strong for any person to deny that I will make their case heard in Allah. We believe in ourselves to have been causal to the providence of all Islam, by our will to survive in Allah.

If you go surfing the internet to learn about Australian Aborigines, if you are a Muslim you might want to read what I write in various internet forums, and weblogs: but perhaps rather, you will care to look up the worth of Australia in Natural History research and other related sciences such as micro-biology and bio-chemistry. Look to the centre of the situation through the Uluru and Katatjuka National Park which is equivalent to Masjid for every person whom travels there. Even the Japanese tourists. Since we are a people with more terror of not accepting our full accountability in Allah, than of the inevitable pain in the grave. (always worse if your mind resisted it)

But back to this situation in respect of Dr Haneef. What has he been able to inform the Indian Government.

Why were the motorbike gang at the Gold Coast so very determined to make a point to myself that the idea of Islamic fundamentalism will never be tolerated here in Australia, and every example to be suspected will be turned over to the police. But why also are those same persons aware of inevitable violent Jihad, and have accepted my suggestion to move it all into the Trade Union movement: at the same time as using arrests of Muslims suspected of terrorist strategies, to save Aboriginal youth from sodomy. Pertinently why is the casino owner afraid of Muslim money being spent at his Casino, and why are the Australian criminals more afraid of Islam, and more in recognition of Islam being inevitable, than are the decent law abiding public.

But why there could perhaps be a better profitability soon for the Australian Aboriginal Artists, and deceasing sales here of Persian carpets, I just don’t even know why the question might arise. Not that we are not already in a permanent saturation with American worth in Indigenous culture and Art. I just hope that the price rise in heroin is immediate enough that my own sons will never be enabled to access it, and that those many Indigenous children I know of whom did when younger than puberty, will be safer now. They did for land and culture.

I did for my children, but I know my family did so as to prevent what caused the collapse of the Labour Whitlam Government in the 1970’s, when our Prime Minister was sacked by the Queen’s representative in Australia. But what a few old criminal mates knew about how there was presented a breach in the accounting of debt, through apparently American sponsored Malaysian Muslims, whom claimed against the Whitlam Government in their use of a Judaic accounting method rather than using Shari’ah, so as to cover over their evidence, and one among had a girlfriend who told me; or what I know about why Vietnam had been invaded, within the same vein; is best not fully revealed right here, don’t you suppose? There is a continual note through this, that if in doubt about who dunnit, all life, and even He who waits for no man, must bow to war. (How else can there be enough Djinn Dreaming released by Humanity in a sudden enough process, to fill that hole in the ozone? But I haven’t counted how many heroin overdoses might need to happen in the transition from a cheaper source to more expensive.)

And mentioning expenses, I have had an unusual one this week. My gold bracelet was at the jeweller since I slipped and swung off it and it saved my back, but then had a fracture in every link. All the pendants on it are being moved to a new gold chain, of less worth but. And to top that off, the jeweller, who is known to me to be a member of the Masonic Lodge, removed the crucifix and a small stone church in a shirky sort of accusation against me of every gold charm being only possible by rape of the minds of children. He seemed to suppose I was too intellectually retarded to notice. As I managed to cause policemen to equate me with so as to avoid being charged with sedition for writing things such as this. Then I asked him to put them back on, and his son agreed. But in the meanwhile, I remembered having seen three small 24 carat gold Persian Qur’an pendants at a pawn shop in the red light district, last year. So I put enough aside and went to find if I could purchase one of. I learned that a homosexual man had bought the first, then I the second, and the third, larger than the others, is still on sale there for AUS$100-. The police are frightened about me now, since it seems that Muslims manage the intellectually handicapped better than any policeman can. And the new forensic psychiatrist has noticed that I have the stronger case to my children’s father, for custody of my three sons, at last, after four years of an open court case, while my sons endure living with alcoholic non-believers, and with the trial still ahead. Unless the lawyers prove correct that it will not be going to trial, which they had imagined might be because I will just give up, since being intellectually retarded and under police control, apparently. The strategy I undertook causing, after the three and a half year time in the case. (Of course that my writing for socialists must be disproving that I could be a Muslim, so they imagine) But still daily my greatest fear is what could possibly happen to prevent the case from trial, since it is not ever going to be on my part that the case is dropped. In which I have and am working every day singularly to prevent any possibility that my sons might be harmed as their father had been by his father.

Here is an odd correlation to leave you contemplating. At WhyIslam, the posts which were removed in which lost more self esteem, are those now re-written here; but at LoadIslam the posts removed in which I felt the greatest loss are those in which I have pasted pictures of Indigenous Australian fauna and flora for the thread of Snowy’s cats kittens and other animals. (maybe it was just that I put a picture of Hamburger rock in among? But after the Shaytan discovered me to be receiving belief of other believers that I am a believer. If you are a believer, and you do not seem to be, such that the shaytan are tricked by other believers whom were already tricked by the shaytan, into discrediting the responsible mind, then the potential is only as endless as your own innate capacity to demand that you are believed.

Yet even the deletion of my posts of native Australian flora fauna and land forms; by which glimpses of are truly enabling of many Muslims to perceive the meaning in my writing better, since our place's shapes are so very different to the Northern Hemisphere; the deletion of my posts that has most distressed me, was at http://www.forumofislam.com/ , but when the same site used to be named http://www.alummahalwasatiyyah.com

I really ought to express this a bit better. It had not been the simple fact that my posts have been deleted that was worrying me. Any person whom is using Muslim forums must adjust to each forum, each thread in each forum, and as a non-Arabic educated Muslim, I have had to learn to adjust my manners also. Therefore it is to be anticipated that many posts might be removed by moderators. In fact, when I first posted in any website ever, it was at Muslim Village, the major site here in Australia, and I was very surprised about how much of my controversial posts they let pass through their moderations. But then when I became banned, it was sudden, without warning, and by clarification of my meanings in Islam, of a few earlier posts. As though it was only alright for me to make posts if my posts could be held as wrong in Allah, since I am not a "counted" name on a list as a Muslim. I will never want to be so counted when there is even one person whom uses such lists to discriminate another persons real worth in Allah. If those whose names are on those lists are so afraid of not being so listed, why would anybody believe that the lists are a serious concern? I have met Muslim families who worry immensely about sustaining a credible reputation among certain social forces in Islam, only by fear of loss of monetary income if they become suspected of not believing, even if only through association with a person such as myself, whom is more certain in Allah than to need to be so named.

What is the real situation I found myself in at the forum-of-islam site, is that my posts in which there was a greater amount of very good work in Allah placed, and which could not be faulted except by a non-believer, were that which were removed. Yet simultaneously, when I had been somewhat lazier in my post style, my posts were being let in to the site.

There were two removed that I made again, and again, and were repeatedly removed. One was in a thread about where users are from. And I had provided some extremely valuable information about Australia. About the Uluru National Park, and about the evidence of Islam among Australian Aborigines. Nobody could repudiate me. I made commentary within that context about a book named "Linden Girl", which is a historical record, of very well researched Australia history, of the marriage between an Afghani man named Jack Akbar, and his Aboriginal wife Lallie Matbar. Their story is of inordinate systematic oppression by the state. But also there is another story, of the love between a man and his wife, and for their children. After many years of happy marriage, their relations came to a place of needing to live apart. Thereafter Lallie became recognised in her Islam as a significant elder within the Aboriginal community. However, the issue over which they seperated, was embarrassing for Jack Akbar, although it had been entirely unnecessary for him to be embarrassed within Aboriginal culture, but in the world of the Mosque he attended in Adelaide, it was extremely embarrassing. But by all accounts Jack Akbar was good friends with Lallie's brother, and might have learned to adopt, and even teach, a more Australian way in Islam. Yet the social pressure upon him from the community from the Middle East, were preventative. Likewise the social pressures upon Lallie where what had ended their relations. But that social pressure, upon Lallie, can be traced. The tracing of that is the information which forum-of-islam had refused to let me post. But the source of that social pressure is an ongoing Australian Jihad about the method of Islam. A Jihad in which most of our ancestors were removed from our mothers, and placed into terrifying contexts of needing to harbour those in our own community we had been at war with; in that now we all had a common enemy, so seeming. The fact is that what now determines who is on what side in our ongoing Jihad, a Jihad which still dominates all our internal Indigenous community social relations, to the exclusion of caring about any person not engaging in the matter, is that who has sided with our invaders, is who is not in Islam. But there are horrific degrees of shirk being entertained by such persons, and they are among those Aborigines whom did portray our society into the white world; but also they have sought to control the way that Aboriginal Muslims display our culture to the Ummah. This is why I am being isolated from other Aboriginal Muslims. So naturally I was disappointed that a website would not accept my explanation of these facts.

But then worse, I made a repeated, and repeatedly deleted, post about the interaction between sihr and money, from within my own scientific comprehension; including how to avoid the Gog at Magog pattern creeping into the economy. That I have not been repudiated, and rather only removed, while other posts, which are far more challenging to the Islamic mainstream, and being enabled, is my evidence.

I mean to make one point clean. Qur'an and AHadith can never be used to fault any person, not even shaytan. Because to accuse is the greater crime against life and Allah.



Was The Wealth of No Man

Did they feign
Their own belief
In Jesus
So as to corrupt
Our Islamic worth
Of belief in such
As His teaching
Is in Eternity
Without corruptibility
Or had they
Accused our Muslim Ummah
Of not believing in
Until they themselves
So fell
For of which Religion
Today provides to
Safe haven
For Christendom
Of real belief in God's Kingdom
Is that in Islam
I can
Believe in God being Allah and
Believe in Jesus named Isa
But the Church
Whose architecture
And Art of the stone mason
Came also from Islam
Are who abuse me
By denying me
My real Christianity
Being the essence in me
Of my own way in Islam
For in Allah I trust



Reality Must

They did a deal
Upon the word real
At the spelling of “really”
As through very wheelie dealie
Is the trading in
What belief is
But when
Real is as real can
And real must
For real never could bust
Such that the imagination
Will ever be subsequent
And the predisposition
To imagine
Be proved the cause of
Every of Earth's diseases
And real is no more that what is proven to trust
No better than
What we all agree can
Continue in existence
No worse than
What has been Prophesied to us
And no less than
What is the content
Of the true belonging
To the Dreamtime
This you must
Believe in
If you want of those of us
Who can
In reality
Understand
So do not trust any deal
About what defines real
But rather use your conscience
And that sensible fact
That our five senses are at
When in true unity of combination


Priority

I think with my pen
All good will is to send
That work for socialist
Priority
To dominate our economy

They assumed wrongly
Of me


That Here Our Criminals Aversion is Islam

Why is this tell me
That here in Australia
There is more fear
Of Islamic terrorism
Among the criminal quarter
Than there is among those of us
Who live law abidingly
And why perhaps did we
All want for Dr Haneef
To be rapidly acquitted
Rather than spend time in
An Australian
Prison
But perhaps even more strikingly
Why is it that between
Modern urban black youths
There is a threat traded in
Against every who converted
Into Islam
As a black power consciousness
And of those of us
Whom have experienced such
Threats against us
It is that
If you even once
In the slightest
So much as notice
Any persons sins
And are not holding down by your own witness to Allah
And of your own mind to your own conscience
If noticing that you might have known
A better route though
And had not trod it
But in regret want that
Your mind can swallow that fact
In Allah and continue
But if any other person might notice of you
Such mindfulness
Why was it that
There has been no protection of fact
From the Ummah for such young persons
When the criminals who trade
In such secrets of the grave
Were selling the threat of
“You Were a Muslim”
As though if we notice
That we may have been in sin
That we are no longer
In Islam
Allowed to want to be a Muslim
But when while I
In maturity can find
Such threats are only of my own susceptibility of mind
To crime
But as an Aborigine
Not such a problem really
Just that it is a cockroach whose words need we not heed
And which my brain did by accident feed
And which have been traced
To an original wrong use of sihr to trick
Of this day all found out
Was that
The words
“Her” and
the “Ummah”
Need be kept separate
From “was it” “it was”
And “one week”
Which was that they tried to trick
Myself that this day
Might be a profitable replay
Upon last week
In a seven dollars and seventy cents
Train ticket
Never bought
Is their defeat
So tell me
Why is this
That here in Australia
There is more fear
Of Islamic terrorism
Among the criminal quarter
Than there is among those of us
Who live law abidingly
Or is it rather that
If we
Believe that in law are we
Well we might not want of
To know in all certainty
Of that shirk forced upon us through money
Which has a kafr of which it shirks to do
About
That
What have we left
If not that the criminals
Must be made bereft
Of what they knew about
And must we
Be rather questioning
Why it is that
In another social context
Islam is yet attractive
To the criminal set
Without any compulsion
Of social worth in
So it must be
That the reason in me
For having had to seem in criminality
Was that the criminals were winning
Such that it has been
Unsafe for me
To be a Muslim in the open
That the criminals
Must be made bereft
Of what they knew about Islam
In which they believed it to be
Their own advantage
Not accessible
To those of us
Who are not criminals
Since we might ever be certain
That of Islam
Is the test


On Capitalism

I guess that
What seems to be
Might be of too frightening
Consequentiality
If it is that I can
And so must
Prove that nobody except
Those who know of
Was who did that the worth of all Islam
Spilt out
All over the world in a rush
Of capitalism
And as I prove it
It might be that you can
Find me to be the faulted one
As in Allah my own number is a sum
Total of all I am and have become
Yet that of all that is and will be
And was in truth not really
The preconditions which cause me
Also did that Islam
In need proven
That I am
Under Allah never too damned

If anybody who reads this is interested for their own verifications: I post at whyislam in the username "anonymouslegals" (which is the shortening of an e-mail address which begins with the name anonymouslegalsubordinate); I post at myislamweb with the username Ridicurezipa, like here; I post at Load Islam with the username Curaezipirid; at brisbanemuslims with the username Curaezipirid; at forumofislam with two usernames - curaezipirid and nungarrayi; I post at www.altafsir.com in my own legally binding within legislation name, of Rebecca Copas; and another few smaller sites also in the same names. I can be found through weblogs at blogsource, wordpress, and blogger, named Curaezipirid, or ANungarrayididitdotCopas.

Just in case any body has been wondering, I will inform you that the three forms of Tawheed we are instructed to align our minds in the unity of Allah through, are defined at the density of Human thought, as the distinct Human Spirit energies of faith love and hope. The sound of word "tawheed" represents the three forces of life far denser than pure faith love and hope, but the principal is the same. What then becomes significant to us all in work for being in perfect tawheed, is that only a Saint or an Angel to accurately differential which form of tawheed is which among the three. Thereby we must accept that our supplications and prayers need the aide of the sort of person, whom in former epochs of Human evolution, had been accounted in that named as god-head. Yet then and now, to perform the duty perfectly, the individuals mind can not possibly accept any level of being worshipped, without then re-transmitting that worship up unto Allah. So the only real difference in Islam is that the leader in prayer who is a Saint, is letting every other person know that their prayers transmit through and not to, their spiritual leader, and are always belonging thus in Allah. Islam has long held itself well minded about such phenomenon as what is described in the literature of the west, as cults of Saints. These are not a cult, or a sect, so much as a Patri-clan of worshippers of Allah, being lead by a single man. We need not dismiss every thing that came before Islam. And Monotheism, being worshipping Allah above every other, including not placing middle men between our own mind and Allah, is not defined by avoiding the worth of a Saint or Angel whom can expediate prayer. The emphasis we are in need of is in the fact that our worth is defined by how well we can sustain our own mind in the worship of Allah, as the active belief that we are worthy of his having created.

Thankyou in Allah for reading



Alaykumuassalam